Hrmphs

[volante{Kyr}]

[16:36] <{ula}H> Master may your slut be of any other use
[16:36] <Haldar> see to the Free ula
[16:36] <{ula}H> yes Master
[16:36] <Que`bie> well...
[16:37] <{ula}H> !open
3[16:37] * Tarn_Keeper sets mode: +v {ula}H
[16:37] <Que`bie> greetings ula
[16:37] <Haldar> well....deep subject
6[16:37] * Haldar grins
6[16:37] * {ula}H lifting eyes of blue, fueled with lust she stands to feet turning fom him
6[16:39] * {ula}H stepping to Master Que`bie, kneeling before him, taut thighs kissed golden from the sun part in offer, slender back arches into straight shoulders as she lowers blue eyes alluringly
[16:39] <{ula}H> Master may this beast be of any use
6[16:39] * Que`bie smiles at ula
[16:40] <Que`bie> I have no needs at this moment, ula
[16:40] <Que`bie> return to the mats, girl
[16:41] <Haldar> Mitzie, get any more snow lately ?
[16:41] <{ula}H> yes Master
[16:42] <Mitzie> no its been a lot milder
6[16:42] * {ula}H shimming back, ruby lips smile happily as she stands, turning to Master Varick, swiftly moving him, long shapely legs fold under firm bottom as she kneels, lowering her crystal blue eyes, fingers graze over taut thighs as palms rest atop
[16:42] <{ula}H> Master may this one be of any use
[16:43] <Haldar> it got warm here today, hit the 40ies, was a nice break from the cold, we've had temps below freezing for 23 days til today
6[16:43] * Ehre muses
[16:44] <Varick> I am fine for now girl
[16:44] <Haldar> it's like winter should be like if you ask me
[16:44] <{ula}H> yes Master
6[16:45] * {ula}H smiling as she stands, turning on soft heels as she crosses the floor to Mistress Mitzie, kneeling respectfully before her as she speaks in sweet voice
[16:45] <Mitzie> I had tha patio doors and back door open today it was lovely
[16:45] <{ula}H> Mistress may this girl be of any service
6[16:46] * Mitzie looks to the girl a moment
[16:46] <Mitzie> yes ula a kalana
[16:46] <Haldar> I was tempted to build a snowman today, good packing snow
[16:46] <{ula}H> yes Mistress, chilled?
[16:46] <{ula}H> !serving
3[16:46] * Tarn_Keeper sets mode: -v {ula}H
[16:47] <Mitzie> room temp
[16:47] <{ula}H> yes Mistress
[16:47] <Haldar> got rid of slave auctions I see
[16:48] <Mitzie> not sure whats happened there
[16:48] <Haldar> well non goreans were coming from there
6[16:49] * {ula}H lifting sweet smile as eyes sparkle happily to be in her serve, long legs stand on tiny feet, raven mane whips around slender neck as she steps to the kitchen, hands brush against slender hips as they sway respectfully, pushing the door open, disappearing from view the sweet scent of almonds lingers behind
6[16:50] * Mitzie watches the girl serve
6[16:51] * {ula}H washing hands, nibbling lower lip as she moves intently on pleasing the Mistress, hands pull her cup into hands, shining the three gems till they sparkle almost as much as the Mistress's eyes, humming a merry tune as bells that lay around delicate ankles chime into the air
7[16:52] * ICE-BEAR is on IRC
6[16:52] * {ula}H hand lifts the basket of the sweet dark wine, fingers tug and tug at the cork till it pulls free, the arouma of the red wine lifts dancingly into the air, filling the vessel, wrapping hands around the vessel she moves back into the main room
6[16:54] * {ula}H tiny feet pad silently over stones, hand lifts, brushing back wisps of curls from her face, kneeling, taut thighs press to each other as slender arms reach into the air, raising the cup in offer, eyes of deepest blue lower
[16:55] <{ula}H> Mistress this one offers kalana, may it be found relaxing and pleasing to you
6[16:55] * Mitzie smiles and takes the goblet from the girls hands and takes a few small sips
6[16:56] * {ula}H peeks up as she flashes dazziling smile
[16:56] <{ula}H> Mistress may this girl be of any other service
6[16:56] * Mitzie ruffles the girls hair a moment
[16:57] <Mitzie> no ula nice serve go back to your Master
[16:57] <{ula}H> yes Mistress
6[16:58] * {ula}H shimming backward, long legs stand as she turns, moving to her Masters lush white furs, kneeling on the edge, eyes lower their gaze
[16:58] <{ula}H> !open
3[16:58] * Tarn_Keeper sets mode: +v {ula}H
3[16:58] * Haldar sets mode: -v {ula}H
6[16:58] * Ehre lifts a brow slightly and nods, apparently not rating
[16:59] <Haldar> ula, you missed one of the Free
4[16:59] * {ula}H turning quickly, seeing Mistress Ehre she lifts to feet
1[16:59] <Ehre> It's fine Haldar..
[16:59] <Haldar> no, it's not
1[16:59] <Ehre> She did as she was ordered to do..
1[17:00] <Ehre> that was no fault of the girls
6[17:00] * {ula}H scurrying to the beautiful Mistress, melting into kneel before her, thighs press to each other as eyes of eagerness to serve her lower
[17:00] <{ula}H> Mistress may this girl be of any service
[17:00] <Haldar> she may have followed an order but she did not carry out mine
1[17:01] <Ehre> Return to your Master,.. though, -winks- ask him at what point you disobeyed Que`bie when you do
4[17:01] * Haldar looks at Ehre
6[17:01] * Ehre nods softly.. understood Haldar, and I do not conflict with that
6[17:01] * {ula}H lifting her gaze, smiling as she speaks
[17:01] <{ula}H> yes Mistress
6[17:02] * Ehre winks and motions the girl back off
4[17:02] <Que`bie> technically, she did as she was told, Ehre
[17:02] <Que`bie> the reason they are told to return to the mats, is so that they can continue in their duties of serving the other free
6[17:02] * {ula}H bouncing to feet, turning on soft heels as she steps to her Master, kneeling on his furs as eyes of deepest blue lower
1[17:02] <Ehre> Ah.. then my error
[17:03] <Haldar> yes...your error
[17:03] <Que`bie> she moved onto the the next Free who had not been served, so really, she was simply obeying the protocols of the Inn
[17:03] <{ula}H> !open
3[17:03] * Tarn_Keeper sets mode: +v {ula}H
6[17:04] * Ehre smiles to Haldar, .. thank you for confirming that
1[17:04] <Ehre> Now I see it is not a literal order Que`bie, .. understood
[17:04] <Haldar> you are welcome, I am happy to do so
6[17:05] * Ehre chuckles.. Indeed
6[17:05] * Haldar leans down to whisper to ula
6[17:06] * Ehre shakes her head and goes back to her scrolls
[17:07] <Que`bie> it is ok..
1[17:08] <Ehre> No offense..you know I respect you Que`bie, but I am not worried about it..
4[17:08] <Que`bie> you are not to know, Ehre.. it takes a little time to learn the Inn protocols is all
6[17:08] * Ehre nods softly.. exactly the fair understanding that kept me frombeing concerned over a misunderstanding
6[17:09] * Ehre winks teasingly... though one question...
1[17:09] <Ehre> if you want them to go to the mats?.. what do you say?
6[17:10] * Haldar chuckles
3[17:10] * Kuluvwen ([e-mail]) has joined #Gor/Black-Tarn
[17:10] <Haldar> to the mats with you girl
6[17:10] * Ehre grins
[17:10] <Kuluvwen> morning
[17:10] <Haldar> or to the slave area
[17:10] <Haldar> or to the serving mats
[17:10] <Kuluvwen> and Tal
[17:10] <Haldar> Tal Kuluvwen
1[17:11] <Ehre> when does a slave know when it is a literal order or implying to go about as they were?
1[17:11] <Ehre> and that query is more earnest
[17:11] <Varick> Tal Kuluvwen
1[17:11] <Ehre> Tal, Kuluvwen
[17:12] <Mitzie> Tal Kuluvwen
6[17:12] * {ula}H smiles to Master Kuluvwen
[17:12] <{ula}H> greetings Master
[17:12] <Kuluvwen> greeting {ula}H
[17:12] <Que`bie> Tal Kuluvwen
7[17:12] * Rafe is on IRC
[17:13] <Haldar> well when there is only one slave and she has started to serve, then like Que said it is more to allow her to contiue her serve, when there are a few girls and Free are being served they check to see who has been taken care of and if all are good then they know to go to the mats
[17:13] <Kuluvwen> Tal Que`bie I was hoping you were here
7[17:13] * Rafe has left IRC
4[17:13] <Haldar> like Que said, it just a matter of getting used to things is all Ehre
6[17:13] * {ula}H lifting off of his furs, turning as she steps to Master Kuluvwen, melting into delicious kneel before him, slender back arches into straight shoulders as blue eyes lower
[17:13] <Que`bie> wassup?
[17:14] <{ula}H> Master may this beast be of any service
[17:14] <Kuluvwen> you know a thing or two about net working right?
1[17:14] <Ehre> Ok.. so basically it isn't an order at all, just a passive gesture to send the girl off to do what she feels is right at that particular moment?
[17:15] <Kuluvwen> well my Brother and I run three computers
[17:15] <Haldar> not what she feels is right, what she knows to be right
[17:15] <Que`bie> I know a little.. aye
1[17:15] <Ehre> And there is method to my madness in questioning..not just being a pain, I promise -grins
[17:15] <Kuluvwen> when ever a third one logs on it kicks the other one off
4[17:15] <Haldar> I know Ehre, we all were new at one time
[17:15] <Que`bie> of, of what?
[17:16] <Kuluvwen> our server
1[17:16] <Ehre> So.. suppose there were Assassins in the room and they told Que`bie they were about to attack Varick .. so Que`bie tells a slave to go to the mats.. the slave using that judgements totters over to Varick and is subsequently caught in the midst of an attack
1[17:16] <Ehre> I am far from new Haldar - winks
[17:16] <Kuluvwen> we are link to the internet via wireless off the server computer
[17:16] <Que`bie> not in this home..
[17:16] <Kuluvwen> once of us can log on but if the other does it kicks the other off
[17:17] <Que`bie> it is a reality based, not roleplay home
1[17:17] <Ehre> that is true..
4[17:17] <Haldar> that wouldn't happen here ehre
7[17:17] * Raiden is on IRC
[17:17] <Que`bie> in a roleplay home, rules and protocols are different
6[17:17] * Varick chuckles being the subject in the example.
1[17:17] <Ehre> I see..*smiles*..
3[17:17] * Raiden ([e-mail]) has joined #Gor/Black-Tarn
1[17:17] <Ehre> Sorry there Varick.. - laughs
[17:17] <Mitzie> Tal Raiden
[17:18] <Kuluvwen> Tal Raiden
[17:18] <Raiden> Tal, and greetings
[17:18] <Haldar> Tal Raiden
[17:18] <Que`bie> in roleplay, she would have gone to the mats
[17:18] <Varick> Tal Raiden
1[17:18] <Ehre> I see
6[17:18] * Ehre smiles..
[17:18] <Que`bie> and then looked to who needed serving from there
6[17:18] * {ula}H lifts her blue eyes peeking through dark thick lashes to Master Kuluvwen
[17:18] <Que`bie> if an Assassin enters a home in roleplay, unless a girl is serving, she would go to the mats
[17:19] <Kuluvwen> yes {ula}H
[17:19] <Que`bie> and in the case of an attack, they might even be ordered to 'kennel' if they have them
7[17:19] * LdyCane is on IRC
[17:19] <{ula}H> Master may this one be of any use
[17:19] <Kuluvwen> yes a fruitjuice
1[17:20] <Ehre> Roleplay or not, ..and believe me most of my experience is reality.. that an order given by free is to be followed.. period.. not questioned, not left to the slaves judgement (unless circumstances are extreme), but followed.. however, it's been explained how you do things here, and that I will abide by
6[17:20] * Raiden backs into the shadows listening quietly
[17:20] <{ula}H> aye Master
1[17:20] <Ehre> Tal, Raiden -smiles
[17:20] <Mitzie> greetings
4[17:20] * Raiden nods to Ehre
[17:21] <Mitzie> oops wrong box
[17:21] <Mitzie> OOC caught up elsewhere watching a forum row
7[17:21] * LdyCane has left IRC
[17:21] <Mitzie> getting pms asking me to read the posts lol
6[17:22] * {ula}H hands glide over supple frame as she stands to feet, lifting ruby lips in mischief grin as she turns, hips sway side to side seductively as feet manuver around furs, pushing the door open, turning, sending the Master a saucy wink before disappearing from view
[17:22] <Mitzie> how are you Raiden today
[17:22] <{ula}H> !serving
3[17:22] * Tarn_Keeper sets mode: -v {ula}H
1[17:23] <Ehre> The example I used previously aside... I can offer a thousand others.. say umm Raiden (picking on someone else now) liked to beat and belittle slaves, and you didn't want her to serve him... yanno. ...
4[17:24] <Haldar> ahhh but Ehre, the orders of a slaves owners superseed all, so technially by not going to the mats but continuing with the service ula was obeying my orders
6[17:24] * {ula}H at the shelf, tiny toes press to the stones as slender frame lifts upward, hands roll a glass into their grasp as she nestles the glass between full, ripe breasts, causing nipples to harden, smiling happily as she turns to the chill room
[17:24] <Kuluvwen> I may just be waking...but I don't get the latest blooper...
2[17:24] * Kit-afk ([e-mail]) Quit (Ping timeout)
[17:25] <Raiden> doing fine...
[17:25] <Raiden> thanks
[17:25] <Raiden> and You?
[17:25] <Mitzie> thats good to hear I am fine just relaxing now
3[17:25] * siren{QK} ([e-mail]) has joined #Gor/Black-Tarn
4[17:25] <Haldar> simple Ehre, if one likes to do such things for no reason then I would not allow him to enter my Brothers Inn
1[17:26] <Ehre> Wouldn't have been more correct then.. just for debates sake... for her, when ordered to the mats, to respond with something along the lines of.."thank you Master, but if it pleases, my Owners wishes are that I serve all free"... therefore removing any question to who she was obeying .. or that she was in fact -not- disobeying
6[17:26] * {ula}H cool air covers her silky smooth skin causing tiny bumps to appear, lifting pitcher of juice, tilting it as she fills the glass, soft bit of tongue licks ruby lips thinking of the Master she serves, turning she returns to the kitchen and steps into the main room
1[17:27] <Ehre> and trust me I am not coming down on ula.. she's a pleasing girl, just theoretically speaking really at this point
6[17:27] * siren{QK} slips through the door of the Inn, quietly walking to her Master's furs, kneeling she smiles to Master Que`bie
[17:27] <Haldar> for debates sake ok yes, but the girl's of the Inn know what is meant
[17:27] <Kuluvwen> greeting siren{QK}
[17:27] <siren{QK}> greetings Master
[17:27] <Que`bie> greetings my girl
1[17:28] <Ehre> but if a guest is insulted by what appears to be a lack of obedience.. then comes down on the girl, because such vagueness and such ambiguities are commonplace.. who suffers?
6[17:28] * siren{QK} smiles to each of the Free Men in the room, purring to them
6[17:28] * {ula}H long, tanned legs move in sultry motion over the stones, folding into kneel before the Master, raven curls fall over supple frame, framing sweet face as she lifts the vessel into the air, tilting her head down between arms, thighs part in offer
[17:28] <siren{QK}> greetings Masters!
[17:28] <Mitzie> greetings siren
6[17:28] * siren{QK} smiles to Mistress Mitzie
[17:28] <siren{QK}> Tal Mistress
4[17:28] * siren{QK} offers a smile to Mistress Ehre
[17:29] <siren{QK}> greetings Mistress
[17:29] <{ula}H> Master this one offers fruit juice me it be found pleasing to you
6[17:29] * siren{QK} purrs to her Master
[17:29] <Haldar> no one suffers for we of the Inn explain to the person that in fact the girl was doing as we do in the Inn
[17:29] <siren{QK}> Master, may your slut be of use to you?
6[17:29] * Kuluvwen nods at the kneeling girl taking her offering to his lips sipping the sweet berry necter claming his nerves this morning
[17:30] <{ula}H> Master this one offers fruit juice me it be found pleasing to you
6[17:30] * {ula}H smiles happily he is pleased
3[17:30] * Kit ([e-mail]) has joined #Gor/Black-Tarn
3[17:30] * ChanServ sets mode: +h Kit
[17:30] <Kuluvwen> yes it is
[17:30] <Kuluvwen> Tal Kit
[17:30] <Mitzie> wb Kit
[17:30] <{ula}H> Master may this beast be of any other use
6[17:30] * Mitzie hugs
[17:30] <Kuluvwen> not at this moment but your service was pleasing
1[17:30] <Ehre> Of course, Haldar, and that's more simple and less stressful than just being clear and or actually a slave to obey a command as it's given
[17:31] <Haldar> welcome returns Kit
6[17:31] * Raiden continues to listen observing the souroundings
1[17:31] <Ehre> welcome back Kit
[17:31] <{ula}H> yes Master
[17:31] <Kit> thankyou, nearly set fire to the kitchen
[17:31] <Kit> brb
6[17:31] * siren{QK} 's eyes sparkle as she sees her Mistress
4[17:31] <Haldar> Ehre I sence discontent coming from your words
[17:31] <Kuluvwen> what>
[17:31] <Kuluvwen> some one nearly set fire to the kitchen>
[17:32] <Haldar> ula, go to my room
6[17:32] * {ula}H ruby lips smile sweetly as she stands, turning she steps to her Masters furs, kneeling before him blue eyes lower alluringly caressing over his form
[17:32] <{ula}H> yes Master
3[17:32] * {ula}H is now known as {ula}H_Mastersroom
1[17:32] <Ehre> My personal opinions would differ from how it's handled, but .. that aside, it's not my home, just trying to understand it and if my personal difference of opinion bleeds through and insults, my apologies
6[17:33] * {ula}H_Mastersroom lifting to her feet, she steps to the stairs climbing up them, looking to her Master as she slips inside his room
2[17:33] * {ula}H_Mastersroom ([e-mail]) Quit (Quit: )
6[17:34] * siren{QK} sneezes, wiggling a dainty nose to relieve the itch
[17:34] <Kuluvwen> you okay siren{QK}?
[17:34] <siren{QK}> aye, Master, this girl thinks she has fought away the cold season for as long as possible
[17:34] <siren{QK}> it would seem it might overtake her!
4[17:34] <Haldar> I am outlaw Ehre, I do not much hold for pleasentries or niceities, you have done nothing but complain how we do things here, and I do take offence
[17:34] <Kuluvwen> ah yes
6[17:35] * Raiden rolls His neck poping it
6[17:35] * Mitzie looks on
[17:35] <Kuluvwen> the cold even got me this year
[17:36] <Kuluvwen> and I known for not being sick
1[17:36] <Ehre> Well then Haldar, I will reserve my pleasntries from here on out since they aren't cared for..
6[17:36] * siren{QK} wiggles to bare feet, sensing that her Master is busy and her Mistress putting out fires, she glides to a kneel before Master Raiden, soft blue eyes low, she purrs to him
[17:36] <siren{QK}> Master, may this slut be of use to you?
4[17:36] * Haldar suddenly stands up and glares at Ehre
1[17:36] <Ehre> I was not complaining, I was dicussing and trying to understand this 'vague' order deal.. If you take offense to that, then I am sorry..
6[17:36] * Raiden stands out of the shadows
4[17:37] <Raiden> Ehre
[17:37] <Haldar> you have a smart mouth woman, perhaps I will see how smart is can be....
[17:37] <Raiden> depart Woman
6[17:37] * Ehre glances to Raiden.. yes, Raiden?
6[17:37] * Ehre nods to Raiden, a bland glance cast over Haldar as she exits
Session Close: Tue Feb 20 17:37:46 2007

[Oisin]

[16:47] <Haldar> got rid of slave auctions I see
[16:48] <Mitzie> not sure whats happened there
[16:48] <Haldar> well non goreans were coming from there

Err - there ARE Goreans there too?

[dervla]

Well with all due respect, from what i remember reading in the books, anyone that did not pledge to a homestone was considered an Outlaw, thus being subject to enslavement and or impalment. I have seen the title outlaw many times in Gor and wonder just how does this hold true to the Books. It is not a caste, at least none that i have seen. Just a wondering thought and respectfully posted. *smiles*

[volante{Kyr}]

17:43] <*****> <Haldar> well spoken Raiden
[17:43] <*****> <Kuluvwen> just like excuses
[17:43] <*****> <Raiden> exactly
[17:43] <*****> <Raiden> However...I ask that you refrain from hurting her...or anything else
[17:43] <*****> <Que`bie> interesting...
[17:43] <*****> <Raiden> Simply ask her to leave if she causes a stink...she will do so
[17:43] <*****> <Que`bie> I would actually have her FC beat her
[17:43] <*****> <Que`bie> he is a member of the Inn
[17:43] <*****> <Que`bie> and wouldnt hesitate to do so
[17:43] <*****> <Raiden> because she voiced an opinion?
[17:43] <*****> <Que`bie> aye
[17:43] <*****> <Que`bie> he is Gorean
[17:43] <*****> * Raiden shakes His head
[17:43] <*****> He's really pissing Me off

[dervla]

"A free woman may speak to a Free Man in any way she pleases, even with impertinence and the man must abide but seldom is this luxury allotted to a slave. The demeaning of men, whereas it is permitted to, and not unknown among, free women, is not permitted to female slaves. Such, on their part, can be a capital offense."
-=Magician of Gor, page 227=-

"Beware your words," I cautioned her. "I am a free woman," she said. "I can speak as I please." I could not gainsay her in this. She was free. She could, accordingly, say what she wished, and without requiring permission.
-=Mercenaries of Gor, Page 7=-

Now if there is one thing that i do remember, it is that Free women were allotted the privledge of free speech. That is gorean and IS in the books. How anyone can say that a FW can be beaten for speaking her mind is beyond me. What is more Mistress Ehre did not speak disrespectfully nor did she slander anyone, She simply was trying to clarify something that seemed to be very vague.

respectfully kajira of Oisin

[Oisin]

I do wish that some people would take the effort to actually READ the books and not just one book or bits of them but ALL the books

A FW did have the right to say what she thought whenever she wished. The point is that she is FREE

There is far too much bdsm idiocy creeping in to what is claimed to be 'Gor' - it bears as much relationship to what is described in the books as the writings of the Marquis de Sade - not a lot if anything

[Oisin]

As an aside - I cannot understand the obsession some people seem to have in thinking 'a slave must be a whore' - overlooking one very basic fact - a whore is a FW (cf Explorers of Gor)

“The whore,” I said, “is a free woman. Do not presume, in your insolence, lest you be cut to pieces, to compare yourself with her. She is a thousand times higher than you. You are a thousand times lower than she. She is free. You are slave.”

[dervla]

"The whore," I said, "is a free woman. Do not presume, in your insolence, lest you be cut to pieces, to compare yourself with her. She is a thousand times higher than you. You are a thousand times lower than she. She is free. You are slave."
"Yes, Master," she said, sobbing, head down. "Please forgive me, Master." She shook with emotion.
Explorers of Gor pg 329

A slave girl must be at least a whore, and a marvelous one at that. Being a whore is but a small step in the direction of being a slave girl.
-Slave Girl of Gor, pg. 220

A woman who practices unlawful sexual commerce with men, especially one who prostitutes her body for hire; a prostitute; a harlot. --Wyclif.

Assuming that "commerce" means in exchange for money, both statements could be correct. However in the case of coin girls, the slave did ot recieve the money for their use.
The same would be for penal brothels in Port kar and Tunnel brothels in Ar.
No slave riecieved money for their use. So in essence whore would not be the correct term in the case of a slave?
respectfully dervla property of Oisin