}{mana}{ Removed from DC

[volante{Kyr}]

[03:26] * }{mana}{ ([e-mail]) has joined #Dark_Camp
[03:26] <Samos> Tal, }{mana}{
[03:28] * }{mana}{ tugs the curl from the branch before popping into the open. Hazel eyes adorn a sunkissed face as barefeet still at the edge of the Camp. Rounding to kneel before cupping a hand to pouty lips in call
[03:29] <}{mana}{> may i remain
[03:30] <Kyrerus> You may.
[03:30] <}{mana}{> tal Master thank You
[03:31] * }{mana}{ crosses the camp easing tormented form to rekneel somewhere over there beside You
[03:32] <}{mana}{> may i offer You service Master
[03:32] * Ehre notes she is not worth a greeting
[03:36] * Ehre apparently still isn't .. and is not worthy of a slave correcting herself either
[03:36] * }{mana}{ was kicked by Samos (come back when you get it right)
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[03:36] <Samos> Tal, }{mana}{
* Timer 1 activated
[03:36] * Samos sets mode: +b *!*@11EF5C4F.E5EEC3B2.B1647193.IP
* Timer 1 halted
[03:36] * }{mana}{ was kicked by Samos (Samos)
* Retrieving #Dark_Camp modes...
[03:37] * Samos sets mode: -b *!*@11EF5C4F.E5EEC3B2.B1647193.IP
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[03:45] <Samos> Tal, }{mana}{
[03:46] * }{mana}{ kneels quietly as the softened glance of hazel dips in apologetic drift to fingers splayed. Hushed whisper begs in turn
[03:46] <}{mana}{> may i remain
[03:46] <Ehre> maybe,...
[03:47] <}{mana}{> yes Mistress
[03:49] <}{mana}{> mercy Mistress, i meant no disrespect
[03:49] <Ehre> that was heartfelt... not
[03:50] <}{mana}{> yes Mistress
[03:53] <}{mana}{> im sorry Mistress i dont know what else i should say
[03:53] <Ehre> just go.. and until you can figure it out.. don't come back
[03:53] <Kyrerus> Explain to her what you explained to me.
[03:53] <Ehre> save me kicking you again hmm?
[03:53] * Kyrerus jumps in.
[03:53] * }{mana}{ lowers to the ground
[03:53] <}{mana}{> yes Master
[03:53] <Kyrerus> And let her decide based on that.
[03:53] * Kyrerus hasn't told Ehre what you told me, that's for you to do.
[03:53] * Ehre glances to Kyrerus.. would you accept that?
[03:54] <}{mana}{> yes Master
[03:54] <Kyrerus> You're the one displeased.
[03:54] <Kyrerus> But, she offered her reasoning as to why
[03:54] <Kyrerus> And it makes some sense to me.
[03:54] * Ehre chuckles and looks to the girl, thinking this better be good
[03:55] <}{mana}{> Mistress , i had gone to Master's side and i know that He would expect my whole undivided attention so i offered Him service not to disrespect You but because i was at His feet
[03:56] <Ehre> lets see.. you enter at the edge of the camp...
[03:56] <}{mana}{> my silence was waiting for Him to speak not because i was sulking
[03:56] <Ehre> so you can't *bother* to greet me still..
[03:57] <Ehre> [03:28] * }{mana}{ tugs the curl from the branch before popping into the open. Hazel eyes adorn a sunkissed face as barefeet still at the edge of the Camp. Rounding to kneel before cupping a hand to pouty lips in call
[03:57] <Ehre> [03:29] <}{mana}{> may i remain
[03:57] <Ehre> [03:30] <Kyrerus> You may.
[03:57] <Ehre> [03:30] <}{mana}{> tal Master thank You
[03:57] <Ehre> [03:31] * }{mana}{ crosses the camp easing tormented form to rekneel somewhere over there beside You
[03:57] <Ehre> you were not at his feet when you greeted him? yet before greeting me you went to him
[03:58] <Ehre> and then blatantly ignore me..
[03:58] <Ehre> and then add to the insult with that half flippant 'mercy Mistress'
[03:58] <Ehre> I am not impressed..
[03:58] <}{mana}{> yes Mistress
[03:59] <Ehre> and I see that bothers you
[03:59] <}{mana}{> no Mistress
[03:59] <Ehre> then get out
[03:59] <}{mana}{> yes Mistress
[04:00] <}{mana}{> i wish You well Master
[04:00] <}{mana}{> i wish You well MIstress
[04:00] * Kyrerus nods
[04:00] <Ehre> go..
[04:00] <Ehre> now
[04:00] * }{mana}{ speaks to Mistress Cinister
[04:00] <}{mana}{> i wish You well MIstress
[04:00] * Samos sets mode: +b *!*@11EF5C4F.E5EEC3B2.B1647193.IP
[04:00] * }{mana}{ ([e-mail]) has left #Dark_Camp

[teeyaMark]

Master Markadian's slave has been bid by Mistress Ehre to respond to this post and she realizes there are a number of points that would compel commentary: the blatant disrespect to a Freewoman, the flimsy demand for mercy, the self serving attitude. However, this girl would ask instead if she may make a general observation about conventions.

There are general guidelines one can find in the scrolls (i.e. The Gorean Series written by John Norman). Slaves can learn the customary vessel for paga, or how to dance. Many rooms work hard to publize their expectations -- order of service, indicators for Freewomen and Freemen. The entire community follows conventions where lower case initials are used by slaves while upper case initials indicate a Free person.

If a girl is not careful, she can mistake these acts of kindness and think that all the perimeters will be laid out for her. Some slaves, such as the example in Mistress Ehre's post might think that they are owed a set of consistent guidelines and conventions.

It is important that a Gorean slave understand that unlike most BDSM communities and even off line work, there is no checklist for pleasing. One cannot simply follow a series of guidelines and then proclaim themselves pleasing. Nor can they use any type of excuses, however logical, to explain away their behavior.

On Gor, it is wonderfully simple -- a Man finds you pleasing, or he does not. There is no formula, nor standard. Each time a slave interacts with a Freeperson, they have to rely on their wits to be pleasing. And in a place such as Dark Camp, a slave has high expectations to meet.

In the case of the events of this post, the slave's attempts to please were hardly marginal, but it is worthwhile to remember that even one's best efforts may not please a Free. In the end, the only measure is whether or not a Man was pleased.

[dervla]

Tal and greetings to the Free and slaves who take the moments to read this response and thank you. With permission of Mistress Ehre I post my reply
The one thing that many slaves overlook is protocol. In greeting there are standards we are to live up to. When you enter a room you thank the Free that allowed entrance, you greet them first then starting with the men and their rank you great each one, then the FW and their rank .. you greet each one. You do not over look any, unless you have been instructed by a Free upon your entrance to move immediately where ever and be silent. Lastly you greet the slaves. Its not so hard. Very simple in fact.
What is so hard about that? If you make a mistake about gender .. you correct it, If you are found displeasing, you beg mercy and i mean beg mercy as if your life depended on it. Then you move on. Slaves are a very important part of Gor as is slavery, BUT, Gor does not center around the slave and his/her needs. It centers around the slaves abilities to please the free.and see to their needs and desires. You cant please everyone all the time but you better know how to figure a way to do it or beg mercy and to be permitted to try again.
I wish you all well