Post by volante{Kyr} on Mar 30, 2007 3:58:15 GMT -5
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[03:01] <Samos> Tal, zaara{SoA}
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1[03:01] <Ehre> One channel only girl
[03:02] <zaara{SoA}> yes Mistress
[03:02] <zaara{SoA}> may this girl enter, Mistress?
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1[03:02] <Ehre> Do you know how to beg entry, girl?
[03:02] <zaara{SoA}> yes Mistress
1[03:03] <Ehre> Do so.
[03:03] <zaara{SoA}> yes Mistress
6[03:04] * zaara{SoA} kneels down and presses her forehead to the floor, arms spread forward
[03:04] <zaara{SoA}> may this girl be allowed inside, Mistress?
6[03:04] * Ehre chuckles softly. "enter, girl"
[03:04] <zaara{SoA}> thanks You Mistress
1[03:05] <Ehre> Who owns you, girl?
6[03:05] * zaara{SoA} moves up to all fours and crawls to the slavefurs, tall slender naked body squirming, belled waist chain jingling, then kneels up with back arched and thighs parted, long dark hair cascading over white slaveflesh
[03:05] <zaara{SoA}> Master KillerTrees, Mistress, His place is Ship of Acquisition
6[03:06] * Ehre nods softly, watching the girl with an assessing eye. "and what brings you to the docks tonight?"
6[03:07] * zaara{SoA} offers her body more to Mistress gaze, 5'10" tall, smooth slaveheat, celtic knot branded on mons, flat belly, firm round breasts with barbells piercings, gleaming steel around slender neck, hazel eyes lowered, long dark hair
[03:08] <zaara{SoA}> this girl is moving around Gor, Mistress, my Owner is not around today
1[03:09] <Ehre> He permits you free travel?
[03:09] <zaara{SoA}> yes Mistress, as long as she remains in channels
1[03:11] <Ehre> A matter of curiosity girl. When I told you to beg entry, your effort was minimal at best. Why?
[03:12] <zaara{SoA}> this girl does not use pop-up or learnt by rote serves, so she makes a difference between traditionnal begging and so forth, and real serves
1[03:13] <Ehre> Oh, so, begging entry isn't worthy of your efforts?
[03:13] <zaara{SoA}> you may have noticed that this girl put some effort in discribing how she moves from the entrance to the slave furs
[03:14] <zaara{SoA}> if this girl begging was not to Your satisfaction, Mistress, you were under no obligations to allow this girl entrance
1[03:15] <Ehre> I am more than aware of that. Answer my question. Do you feel that begging entry is not worthy of your efforts?
[03:16] <zaara{SoA}> basically, since Mistress chose a "yes or no" question, this girl would say "yes"
1[03:17] <Ehre> What do you think would be the importance of begging entry and displaying some effort?
[03:18] <zaara{SoA}> begging entry is to show that the girl knows her place in the room : a slave
1[03:18] <Ehre> and..
[03:18] <zaara{SoA}> and this is not related to the lenght of the typing session involved in the process, Mistress
1[03:19] <Ehre> You confuse quality and quantity. That aside, what else would make that act, begging entry, important?
[03:20] <zaara{SoA}> because it strokes the ego of those who judge whether it was acceptable or not, Mistress?
3[03:20] * Kuldan_afk is now known as Kuldan
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[03:21] <zaara{SoA}> greetings Master Kuldan
6[03:21] * Kuldan reads the scroll a moment
1[03:21] <Ehre> You place too much importance on your presence if you feel that is so. And when being addressed by a free, focus on that free.
[03:22] <zaara{SoA}> this girl was focused on the Owner of the place, Mistress, she had no idea You were the only one inside, Mistress
6[03:22] * Kuldan chuckles
[03:22] <Kuldan> I smell attitude
[03:22] <Kuldan> I'm not the Owner.
6[03:23] * Ehre smiles...Indeed, Kuldan, this one has a great deal of negative attitude.
[03:24] <Kuldan> zaara, look my way a moment, yes ?
6[03:24] * zaara{SoA} feels she is going to be the focus of a FW's frustration now
[03:24] <zaara{SoA}> yes Master
1[03:24] <Ehre> I am not the only one here girl. However, until you are given permission to do otherwise, when I address you, or unless a man of the home calls to you. I am the only one in your world. -Hearing Kuldan she nods softly and defers -
6[03:25] * zaara{SoA} turns on her knees and faces Master Kuldan, arching her back and spreading her knees slightly more apart
[03:26] <Kuldan> Alright. First off...I know that Free Women are not having the best of reputations around Gor
[03:26] <Kuldan> However, that gives a slave no reason to show attitude when a Free Woman comes down on a slave - especially when it's justified.
6[03:26] * zaara{SoA} listens attentively
[03:26] <zaara{SoA}> yes Master
[03:27] <Kuldan> Even more so when the Free Woman is not just a guest but a Regular of the home
[03:27] <zaara{SoA}> yes Master
6[03:28] * Ehre laughs softly at the striking contrast of attiude already.
[03:28] <Kuldan> Good. Now - what makes begging entry, and doing so pleasingly, important ?
[03:29] <zaara{SoA}> doing everything pleasingly is important
[03:29] <zaara{SoA}> Master
[03:29] <zaara{SoA}> about begging entry, this girl has been to many places around ircGor, and not a single one has the same answer to that question, Master
[03:30] <zaara{SoA}> but each one is very upset when told their answer is not the true gorean way, Master
[03:30] <Kuldan> Absolutely. Though lets not try to sneak your naked butt out of the question. What do *you* feel is important about begging entry and why ?
[03:31] <zaara{SoA}> as this girl thruthfully answered already, Master, this girl feels it's a matter of tradition, just like saying greetings and not Tal, or capping words, etc....
[03:32] <Kuldan> How about this: 1. How to greet is described in the rules of a home usually and 2. A greeting is a chance for a slavegirl to give a good first impression of herself
[03:32] <Kuldan> Do you find yourself disagreeing with 1 or 2 ?
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[03:33] <zaara{SoA}> no Master, those points look logical
[03:33] <Kuldan> Okay.
[03:33] <Kuldan> So, scrolling back, I see you begged entry
[03:33] <Kuldan> One bonus point for you
[03:33] <zaara{SoA}> yes Master
4[03:34] <Kuldan> Ehre commented upon that you put forth little effort
[03:34] <Kuldan> That leaves you two options
[03:34] <zaara{SoA}> yes Master
[03:34] <Kuldan> 1. Try harder
[03:34] <Kuldan> 2. Get your butt in gear
[03:34] <Kuldan> You chose option 2
[03:34] <Kuldan> Which leads me to ask...was that the most pleasing choice ?
[03:34] <Kuldan> You're right on target in one thing.
[03:34] <Kuldan> Gorean homes handle things differently
[03:35] <Kuldan> A slavegirl often doesn't know when she visits a home how to do something right
4[03:35] <zaara{SoA}> this girl thinks Mistress Ehre was not expecting option 1, Master
[03:35] <Kuldan> Also, I notice that many slavegirls are so terribly afraid to make mistakes - perhaps because they learn that some Goreans have zero tolerance for mistakes
6[03:35] * Ehre lifts a brow
[03:36] <Kuldan> I'm telling you however that when you are corrected, especially here, you should graciously accept correction because it means you learn how to please the Free of that particular home
4[03:36] <Kuldan> Ehre was taking the time to correct you
[03:36] <Kuldan> she could've just waved you through
[03:36] <Kuldan> or ignored you
[03:36] <Kuldan> instead she took the time to try and help you to be more pleasing
[03:36] <Kuldan> given, in a harsh attitude
[03:36] <Kuldan> but some Goreans are harsh
[03:37] <Kuldan> it's not a slavegirls place to judge that
4[03:37] <zaara{SoA}> Mistress Ehre did not tell this girl to beg again or try harder, Mistress Ehre asked a question, this girl answered truthfully, and did not lie about how she feels about what happens in most gorean channels
[03:38] <zaara{SoA}> this girl is sorry her answer implied that she was criticising the Mistress
[03:38] <Kuldan> [10:11] <zaara{SoA}> you may have noticed that this girl put some effort in discribing how she moves from the entrance to the slave furs
[03:38] <Kuldan> [10:12] <zaara{SoA}> if this girl begging was not to Your satisfaction, Mistress, you were under no obligations to allow this girl entrance
[03:38] <Kuldan> Do you think it is a good idea to tell any Free, Male or Female, what their options for action could have been ?
[03:39] <Kuldan> That's attitude that may be accepted some places but it isn't, here.
[03:39] <zaara{SoA}> this girl was trying to explain that she was not under the impression that her begging was inappropriate, since she has been allowed in, and tried her best to move to the furs and display before Mistress
6[03:39] * Kuldan nods
4[03:40] <Kuldan> Alright, I will translate to you what Ehre was telling you or, by route of questions, was trying to help you understand
[03:40] <zaara{SoA}> this girl meant to say that she understands "begging entrance" as a complete process, from entrance to slave furs....not just a long begging and then silence
6[03:40] * Kuldan nods
[03:40] <Kuldan> Understood
4[03:41] <Kuldan> Anyways, Ehre was telling you that she would have liked your initial post to be more detailed and more submissive
[03:41] <Kuldan> That's the gist of it
[03:41] <zaara{SoA}> this girl got it, Master
[03:41] <Kuldan> Excellent
[03:41] <zaara{SoA}> may this girl be a little more truthfull, Master?
[03:42] <Kuldan> Yes you may be more truthful. However - and that is a condition and, at the same time, a chance to show you've understood what you've been told and, wish to display yourself in a pleasing way - voice it respectfully, as a slave.
[03:43] <zaara{SoA}> yes Master
4[03:44] <zaara{SoA}> this slave believes that Mistress Ehre got more pleasure from instructing and questionning this slave, as a Free Woman making an helpless kajira squirm in discomfort, than She would have from just ordering this girl to do it again
6[03:45] * Ehre chuckles softly and slides a look to Kuldan, clearly amused
[03:45] <zaara{SoA}> this is what this girl meant when she said that it was Mistress choice not to order this girl to correct her begging
4[03:46] <Kuldan> Ehre is rather strict in regards to slaves. Whether she gets more pleasure from instructing and questioning to make you squirm in discomfort than just ordering you to do it again may only be for Ehre to answer. However, just ordering you to do it again may have given you less of a learning effect. You've been shown you were not pleasing enough. she wanted to see if you understand this, and accept the correction graciously
[03:46] <Kuldan> <Cut> the correction graciously
[03:47] <Kuldan> For that is a fine way to see a slaves attitude as well - how she acts when she is being corrected
[03:47] <Kuldan> some accept it graciously
[03:47] <Kuldan> others start to debate
[03:48] <zaara{SoA}> this girl does not feel Master and Mistress are displeased with debating, is she wrong?
1[03:48] <Ehre> Kuldan, if I can interject here, please, since the girl thinks I have nothing better to do than play the 'pick on a slave' game
7[03:48] * Aslan is on IRC
4[03:49] <Kuldan> I'm teaching you right now. Not so much debating. And certainly, Ehre ?
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6[03:49] * zaara{SoA} smiles wryly
[03:50] <Kuldan> Get that attitude out of the smile, slave
[03:50] <zaara{SoA}> all Masters and all Mistresses seem to believe any slave they seen has been around for the first time, Master
[03:51] <Kuldan> Having been around for years is no guarantee that you have it right
[03:51] <Kuldan> I've seen plenty of Free that after a decade still have no clue about Mastering
[03:51] <zaara{SoA}> You are not instructing this girl in anything about slavery, You are actually instructing me about what pleases You
1[03:52] <Ehre> Let me explain something to you rather quickly girl. Making you squirm and feel uncomfortable does nothing for me. Had you behaved appropriately from the beginning, you would not be in that position to begin with. Understand and think on that. I chose not to play the 'do it again' game with you, in lieu to explain why you were displeasing, better to expalin to an intelligent girl...
[03:52] <Kuldan> I'm instructing you on that a slave should not, in a Gorean environment, portray the attitude you're portraying.
1[03:52] <Ehre> than to watch you repeat rote actions and gleanno understanding from the expereience.
[03:52] <zaara{SoA}> this girl has the feeling you feel under obligation to make a point toward her, Mistress
[03:52] <zaara{SoA}> you have nothing to prove to me, Mistress
1[03:53] <Ehre> You again give yourself far to much importance girl.
[03:53] <zaara{SoA}> judging by the lenght of your reply, this girl would think so, Mistress
[03:53] <Kuldan> There's nothing to be learned here. I've taken enough time trying to explain something to you, yet all I get is further attitude. Quit wasting my time, brat
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1[03:53] <Ehre> I know I do not have anything to prove to you. You in fact should feel you have something toprove to me.
1[03:53] <Ehre> Indeed.
6[03:54] * Kuldan chuckles
[03:54] <Kuldan> When she started telling us what we were all about, I've understood it was pointless
1[03:54] -> *botmail* send KillerTrees Please see Kuldan or myself at #Karian-Docks regarding your slave and her most displeasing behaviors
1[03:55] <Ehre> Indeed.
[03:01] <Samos> Tal, zaara{SoA}
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1[03:01] <Ehre> One channel only girl
[03:02] <zaara{SoA}> yes Mistress
[03:02] <zaara{SoA}> may this girl enter, Mistress?
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1[03:02] <Ehre> Do you know how to beg entry, girl?
[03:02] <zaara{SoA}> yes Mistress
1[03:03] <Ehre> Do so.
[03:03] <zaara{SoA}> yes Mistress
6[03:04] * zaara{SoA} kneels down and presses her forehead to the floor, arms spread forward
[03:04] <zaara{SoA}> may this girl be allowed inside, Mistress?
6[03:04] * Ehre chuckles softly. "enter, girl"
[03:04] <zaara{SoA}> thanks You Mistress
1[03:05] <Ehre> Who owns you, girl?
6[03:05] * zaara{SoA} moves up to all fours and crawls to the slavefurs, tall slender naked body squirming, belled waist chain jingling, then kneels up with back arched and thighs parted, long dark hair cascading over white slaveflesh
[03:05] <zaara{SoA}> Master KillerTrees, Mistress, His place is Ship of Acquisition
6[03:06] * Ehre nods softly, watching the girl with an assessing eye. "and what brings you to the docks tonight?"
6[03:07] * zaara{SoA} offers her body more to Mistress gaze, 5'10" tall, smooth slaveheat, celtic knot branded on mons, flat belly, firm round breasts with barbells piercings, gleaming steel around slender neck, hazel eyes lowered, long dark hair
[03:08] <zaara{SoA}> this girl is moving around Gor, Mistress, my Owner is not around today
1[03:09] <Ehre> He permits you free travel?
[03:09] <zaara{SoA}> yes Mistress, as long as she remains in channels
1[03:11] <Ehre> A matter of curiosity girl. When I told you to beg entry, your effort was minimal at best. Why?
[03:12] <zaara{SoA}> this girl does not use pop-up or learnt by rote serves, so she makes a difference between traditionnal begging and so forth, and real serves
1[03:13] <Ehre> Oh, so, begging entry isn't worthy of your efforts?
[03:13] <zaara{SoA}> you may have noticed that this girl put some effort in discribing how she moves from the entrance to the slave furs
[03:14] <zaara{SoA}> if this girl begging was not to Your satisfaction, Mistress, you were under no obligations to allow this girl entrance
1[03:15] <Ehre> I am more than aware of that. Answer my question. Do you feel that begging entry is not worthy of your efforts?
[03:16] <zaara{SoA}> basically, since Mistress chose a "yes or no" question, this girl would say "yes"
1[03:17] <Ehre> What do you think would be the importance of begging entry and displaying some effort?
[03:18] <zaara{SoA}> begging entry is to show that the girl knows her place in the room : a slave
1[03:18] <Ehre> and..
[03:18] <zaara{SoA}> and this is not related to the lenght of the typing session involved in the process, Mistress
1[03:19] <Ehre> You confuse quality and quantity. That aside, what else would make that act, begging entry, important?
[03:20] <zaara{SoA}> because it strokes the ego of those who judge whether it was acceptable or not, Mistress?
3[03:20] * Kuldan_afk is now known as Kuldan
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7[03:20] * Kuldan is on IRC
6[03:20] * Kuldan settles back in
[03:21] <zaara{SoA}> greetings Master Kuldan
6[03:21] * Kuldan reads the scroll a moment
1[03:21] <Ehre> You place too much importance on your presence if you feel that is so. And when being addressed by a free, focus on that free.
[03:22] <zaara{SoA}> this girl was focused on the Owner of the place, Mistress, she had no idea You were the only one inside, Mistress
6[03:22] * Kuldan chuckles
[03:22] <Kuldan> I smell attitude
[03:22] <Kuldan> I'm not the Owner.
6[03:23] * Ehre smiles...Indeed, Kuldan, this one has a great deal of negative attitude.
[03:24] <Kuldan> zaara, look my way a moment, yes ?
6[03:24] * zaara{SoA} feels she is going to be the focus of a FW's frustration now
[03:24] <zaara{SoA}> yes Master
1[03:24] <Ehre> I am not the only one here girl. However, until you are given permission to do otherwise, when I address you, or unless a man of the home calls to you. I am the only one in your world. -Hearing Kuldan she nods softly and defers -
6[03:25] * zaara{SoA} turns on her knees and faces Master Kuldan, arching her back and spreading her knees slightly more apart
[03:26] <Kuldan> Alright. First off...I know that Free Women are not having the best of reputations around Gor
[03:26] <Kuldan> However, that gives a slave no reason to show attitude when a Free Woman comes down on a slave - especially when it's justified.
6[03:26] * zaara{SoA} listens attentively
[03:26] <zaara{SoA}> yes Master
[03:27] <Kuldan> Even more so when the Free Woman is not just a guest but a Regular of the home
[03:27] <zaara{SoA}> yes Master
6[03:28] * Ehre laughs softly at the striking contrast of attiude already.
[03:28] <Kuldan> Good. Now - what makes begging entry, and doing so pleasingly, important ?
[03:29] <zaara{SoA}> doing everything pleasingly is important
[03:29] <zaara{SoA}> Master
[03:29] <zaara{SoA}> about begging entry, this girl has been to many places around ircGor, and not a single one has the same answer to that question, Master
[03:30] <zaara{SoA}> but each one is very upset when told their answer is not the true gorean way, Master
[03:30] <Kuldan> Absolutely. Though lets not try to sneak your naked butt out of the question. What do *you* feel is important about begging entry and why ?
[03:31] <zaara{SoA}> as this girl thruthfully answered already, Master, this girl feels it's a matter of tradition, just like saying greetings and not Tal, or capping words, etc....
[03:32] <Kuldan> How about this: 1. How to greet is described in the rules of a home usually and 2. A greeting is a chance for a slavegirl to give a good first impression of herself
[03:32] <Kuldan> Do you find yourself disagreeing with 1 or 2 ?
7[03:32] * camrynne{N} has left IRC
[03:33] <zaara{SoA}> no Master, those points look logical
[03:33] <Kuldan> Okay.
[03:33] <Kuldan> So, scrolling back, I see you begged entry
[03:33] <Kuldan> One bonus point for you
[03:33] <zaara{SoA}> yes Master
4[03:34] <Kuldan> Ehre commented upon that you put forth little effort
[03:34] <Kuldan> That leaves you two options
[03:34] <zaara{SoA}> yes Master
[03:34] <Kuldan> 1. Try harder
[03:34] <Kuldan> 2. Get your butt in gear
[03:34] <Kuldan> You chose option 2
[03:34] <Kuldan> Which leads me to ask...was that the most pleasing choice ?
[03:34] <Kuldan> You're right on target in one thing.
[03:34] <Kuldan> Gorean homes handle things differently
[03:35] <Kuldan> A slavegirl often doesn't know when she visits a home how to do something right
4[03:35] <zaara{SoA}> this girl thinks Mistress Ehre was not expecting option 1, Master
[03:35] <Kuldan> Also, I notice that many slavegirls are so terribly afraid to make mistakes - perhaps because they learn that some Goreans have zero tolerance for mistakes
6[03:35] * Ehre lifts a brow
[03:36] <Kuldan> I'm telling you however that when you are corrected, especially here, you should graciously accept correction because it means you learn how to please the Free of that particular home
4[03:36] <Kuldan> Ehre was taking the time to correct you
[03:36] <Kuldan> she could've just waved you through
[03:36] <Kuldan> or ignored you
[03:36] <Kuldan> instead she took the time to try and help you to be more pleasing
[03:36] <Kuldan> given, in a harsh attitude
[03:36] <Kuldan> but some Goreans are harsh
[03:37] <Kuldan> it's not a slavegirls place to judge that
4[03:37] <zaara{SoA}> Mistress Ehre did not tell this girl to beg again or try harder, Mistress Ehre asked a question, this girl answered truthfully, and did not lie about how she feels about what happens in most gorean channels
[03:38] <zaara{SoA}> this girl is sorry her answer implied that she was criticising the Mistress
[03:38] <Kuldan> [10:11] <zaara{SoA}> you may have noticed that this girl put some effort in discribing how she moves from the entrance to the slave furs
[03:38] <Kuldan> [10:12] <zaara{SoA}> if this girl begging was not to Your satisfaction, Mistress, you were under no obligations to allow this girl entrance
[03:38] <Kuldan> Do you think it is a good idea to tell any Free, Male or Female, what their options for action could have been ?
[03:39] <Kuldan> That's attitude that may be accepted some places but it isn't, here.
[03:39] <zaara{SoA}> this girl was trying to explain that she was not under the impression that her begging was inappropriate, since she has been allowed in, and tried her best to move to the furs and display before Mistress
6[03:39] * Kuldan nods
4[03:40] <Kuldan> Alright, I will translate to you what Ehre was telling you or, by route of questions, was trying to help you understand
[03:40] <zaara{SoA}> this girl meant to say that she understands "begging entrance" as a complete process, from entrance to slave furs....not just a long begging and then silence
6[03:40] * Kuldan nods
[03:40] <Kuldan> Understood
4[03:41] <Kuldan> Anyways, Ehre was telling you that she would have liked your initial post to be more detailed and more submissive
[03:41] <Kuldan> That's the gist of it
[03:41] <zaara{SoA}> this girl got it, Master
[03:41] <Kuldan> Excellent
[03:41] <zaara{SoA}> may this girl be a little more truthfull, Master?
[03:42] <Kuldan> Yes you may be more truthful. However - and that is a condition and, at the same time, a chance to show you've understood what you've been told and, wish to display yourself in a pleasing way - voice it respectfully, as a slave.
[03:43] <zaara{SoA}> yes Master
4[03:44] <zaara{SoA}> this slave believes that Mistress Ehre got more pleasure from instructing and questionning this slave, as a Free Woman making an helpless kajira squirm in discomfort, than She would have from just ordering this girl to do it again
6[03:45] * Ehre chuckles softly and slides a look to Kuldan, clearly amused
[03:45] <zaara{SoA}> this is what this girl meant when she said that it was Mistress choice not to order this girl to correct her begging
4[03:46] <Kuldan> Ehre is rather strict in regards to slaves. Whether she gets more pleasure from instructing and questioning to make you squirm in discomfort than just ordering you to do it again may only be for Ehre to answer. However, just ordering you to do it again may have given you less of a learning effect. You've been shown you were not pleasing enough. she wanted to see if you understand this, and accept the correction graciously
[03:46] <Kuldan> <Cut> the correction graciously
[03:47] <Kuldan> For that is a fine way to see a slaves attitude as well - how she acts when she is being corrected
[03:47] <Kuldan> some accept it graciously
[03:47] <Kuldan> others start to debate
[03:48] <zaara{SoA}> this girl does not feel Master and Mistress are displeased with debating, is she wrong?
1[03:48] <Ehre> Kuldan, if I can interject here, please, since the girl thinks I have nothing better to do than play the 'pick on a slave' game
7[03:48] * Aslan is on IRC
4[03:49] <Kuldan> I'm teaching you right now. Not so much debating. And certainly, Ehre ?
7[03:49] * Aslan has left IRC
6[03:49] * zaara{SoA} smiles wryly
[03:50] <Kuldan> Get that attitude out of the smile, slave
[03:50] <zaara{SoA}> all Masters and all Mistresses seem to believe any slave they seen has been around for the first time, Master
[03:51] <Kuldan> Having been around for years is no guarantee that you have it right
[03:51] <Kuldan> I've seen plenty of Free that after a decade still have no clue about Mastering
[03:51] <zaara{SoA}> You are not instructing this girl in anything about slavery, You are actually instructing me about what pleases You
1[03:52] <Ehre> Let me explain something to you rather quickly girl. Making you squirm and feel uncomfortable does nothing for me. Had you behaved appropriately from the beginning, you would not be in that position to begin with. Understand and think on that. I chose not to play the 'do it again' game with you, in lieu to explain why you were displeasing, better to expalin to an intelligent girl...
[03:52] <Kuldan> I'm instructing you on that a slave should not, in a Gorean environment, portray the attitude you're portraying.
1[03:52] <Ehre> than to watch you repeat rote actions and gleanno understanding from the expereience.
[03:52] <zaara{SoA}> this girl has the feeling you feel under obligation to make a point toward her, Mistress
[03:52] <zaara{SoA}> you have nothing to prove to me, Mistress
1[03:53] <Ehre> You again give yourself far to much importance girl.
[03:53] <zaara{SoA}> judging by the lenght of your reply, this girl would think so, Mistress
[03:53] <Kuldan> There's nothing to be learned here. I've taken enough time trying to explain something to you, yet all I get is further attitude. Quit wasting my time, brat
3[03:53] * zaara{SoA} was kicked by Kuldan (Kuldan)
1[03:53] <Ehre> I know I do not have anything to prove to you. You in fact should feel you have something toprove to me.
1[03:53] <Ehre> Indeed.
6[03:54] * Kuldan chuckles
[03:54] <Kuldan> When she started telling us what we were all about, I've understood it was pointless
1[03:54] -> *botmail* send KillerTrees Please see Kuldan or myself at #Karian-Docks regarding your slave and her most displeasing behaviors
1[03:55] <Ehre> Indeed.
