Post by teeya on Apr 8, 2007 11:58:22 GMT -5
<Kuldan> Good, now to the task. You will work on it together. Work out what, in your perception, makes the Free Men in the books Free Men in terms of their behavior. How does a proper Free Man compose himself ? How does he not compose himself ? What differs a strong man from a weak man ? All with the thought in the back of your mind that, on here, there are a lot of weak men walking about.
<Kuldan> This task is not meant to be completed swiftly. What you will do is your version, your thoughts on the subject - which will be used to work out a complex whole of the subject. You will back up your thoughts, after working out these thoughts, by quotes taken from the books available to you.
<Kuldan> You may also use knowledge and thoughts from outside the books - using philosophy, morals, or simply common sense.
a) fyran - strong man believes in honor and justice and truth
("The men of Gor are not as the men of Earth. I fear they are not gentlemen." Page 235, Captive of Gor)
("Too, I had little doubt that not all men on this world could be of the nature of Teibers and Ulricks, and the guards in the house where I had been trained. Doubtless there were men here too, if not as on Earth, men who might be fretful, petty and weak.." Page 92, Dancer of Gor)
("The Code of the Warrior is, in general, characterized by a rudimentary chivalry, emphasizing loyalty to Pride Chiefs and the Home Stone. It was harsh, but with a certain gallantry, a sense of honor that I could respect. A man could do worse then live by such a code." Page 41, Tarnsman of Gor)
b.) fyran - able to discipline and teach slaves
("Perhaps it should only be added that the Gorean master, though often strict, is seldom cruel. The girl knows, if she pleases him, her lot will be an easy one. She will almost never encounter sadism or wanton cruelty, for the psychological environment that tends to breed these diseases is largely absent from Gor." Page 54, Outlaw of Gor)
("One of the pleasant things about owning a slave," I said, "is the opportunity to converse with her, to listen to her, to hear her express herself, her feelings and ideas. One can learn much from a slave. Many slaves, like yourself, are highly intelligent. They can express themselves articulately, clearly, trenchantly, and lyrically. It is a great pleasure to talk with them." Page 203, Beasts of Gor)
("More than one master, I suspect, has been enslaved by the beauty who kneels before him. It is one of the excruciating delights of the mastery to expose oneself fully to, and yet skirt, the dangers of the girl"s beauty, to keep oneself strong, to draw the absolute fullness of pleasure from her, and yet to resist her wiles, to get everything from her, and yet to keep her on her knees, completely." Page 36, Slave Girl of Gor)
("Some men are very strong with men, and yet weak with their women." Page 245, Dancer of Gor.)
c.) fryan - do not put themselves above others
the morality of masters says, “We are not equal; we are not the same; become equal to me; then we will be the same.” Page 7-9, Marauders of Gor)
d.) fyran - aspires beyond themselves
(“The average Gorean Male , it must be admitted, tends to regard the joys of life somewhat more highly than its duties.” Page 65, Outlaw of Gor)
e.) fyran - uphold justice
(“Without this, he said, touching the blade, there is nothing -- no justice, no civilization, no society, no community, no peace. Without the sword there is nothing. Before the sword he said, there is no right, no wrong, only fact--a world of what is and what is not, rather than a world of what should be and should not be. There is no justice until the sword creates it, establishes it, guarantees it, gives it substance and significance. He lifted the weapon, wielding the heavy metal blade as though it were a straw. First the sword--he said, then government--then law--then justice.” Page 156, Tarnsman of Gor)
Tarnsman of Gor - Page 156
f.) fyran - does not boast,
(Luther's Scroll, Gorean Differences, #24, Version 4.0, 18. Goreans seldom draw steel unless they intend to make use of it. They do not make empty boasts.)
<Kuldan> This task is not meant to be completed swiftly. What you will do is your version, your thoughts on the subject - which will be used to work out a complex whole of the subject. You will back up your thoughts, after working out these thoughts, by quotes taken from the books available to you.
<Kuldan> You may also use knowledge and thoughts from outside the books - using philosophy, morals, or simply common sense.
a) fyran - strong man believes in honor and justice and truth
("The men of Gor are not as the men of Earth. I fear they are not gentlemen." Page 235, Captive of Gor)
("Too, I had little doubt that not all men on this world could be of the nature of Teibers and Ulricks, and the guards in the house where I had been trained. Doubtless there were men here too, if not as on Earth, men who might be fretful, petty and weak.." Page 92, Dancer of Gor)
("The Code of the Warrior is, in general, characterized by a rudimentary chivalry, emphasizing loyalty to Pride Chiefs and the Home Stone. It was harsh, but with a certain gallantry, a sense of honor that I could respect. A man could do worse then live by such a code." Page 41, Tarnsman of Gor)
b.) fyran - able to discipline and teach slaves
("Perhaps it should only be added that the Gorean master, though often strict, is seldom cruel. The girl knows, if she pleases him, her lot will be an easy one. She will almost never encounter sadism or wanton cruelty, for the psychological environment that tends to breed these diseases is largely absent from Gor." Page 54, Outlaw of Gor)
("One of the pleasant things about owning a slave," I said, "is the opportunity to converse with her, to listen to her, to hear her express herself, her feelings and ideas. One can learn much from a slave. Many slaves, like yourself, are highly intelligent. They can express themselves articulately, clearly, trenchantly, and lyrically. It is a great pleasure to talk with them." Page 203, Beasts of Gor)
("More than one master, I suspect, has been enslaved by the beauty who kneels before him. It is one of the excruciating delights of the mastery to expose oneself fully to, and yet skirt, the dangers of the girl"s beauty, to keep oneself strong, to draw the absolute fullness of pleasure from her, and yet to resist her wiles, to get everything from her, and yet to keep her on her knees, completely." Page 36, Slave Girl of Gor)
("Some men are very strong with men, and yet weak with their women." Page 245, Dancer of Gor.)
c.) fryan - do not put themselves above others
the morality of masters says, “We are not equal; we are not the same; become equal to me; then we will be the same.” Page 7-9, Marauders of Gor)
d.) fyran - aspires beyond themselves
(“The average Gorean Male , it must be admitted, tends to regard the joys of life somewhat more highly than its duties.” Page 65, Outlaw of Gor)
e.) fyran - uphold justice
(“Without this, he said, touching the blade, there is nothing -- no justice, no civilization, no society, no community, no peace. Without the sword there is nothing. Before the sword he said, there is no right, no wrong, only fact--a world of what is and what is not, rather than a world of what should be and should not be. There is no justice until the sword creates it, establishes it, guarantees it, gives it substance and significance. He lifted the weapon, wielding the heavy metal blade as though it were a straw. First the sword--he said, then government--then law--then justice.” Page 156, Tarnsman of Gor)
Tarnsman of Gor - Page 156
f.) fyran - does not boast,
(Luther's Scroll, Gorean Differences, #24, Version 4.0, 18. Goreans seldom draw steel unless they intend to make use of it. They do not make empty boasts.)